Carry Legality Question

[Shadehawk]

I just have to ask.....why do you feel you need to carry all these things? Are you in such an area that you feel so in danger or are you hanging with people that bring that kind of lifestyle with them? Perhaps you are the kind that likes to be mistaken for a law enforcement officer. Everyone has their own reasons, but I am genuinely curious on what motivates people to chose a certain form of defense over/additional to another.

Wow, three replies in and the inevitable question arises

I don't intend to carry these items every day, but i like to keep my options open for places I'm not allowed to carry my firearm (eg. LDS property) and I like to double check my friend in these areas (not 100% reliable). Plus, don't get me wrong, I tend not to trust anyone so I like to be prepared for any situation. And for the record, I'm usually mistaken for a cop anyway so there's nothing much I can do on that front.

On another note, since an ASP is considered a deadly weapon, does my CFP (not CWP mind you) cover it?

Carry on

[Paul]

On another note, since an ASP is considered a deadly weapon, does my CFP (not CWP mind you) cover it?

Carry on

Yes.
Your CFP allows you to carry concealed basically anything considered a weapon.
(You can NOT carry a short-barrel rifle or shotgun. I personally wouldn't try to conceal any other Class III weapon either, but thats just me. As far as I know in UTAH, the law only prohibits short-barrel rifles and short-barrel shotguns however.)

If you can argue that whatever you are carrying is not a weapon, then you can conceal whatever you want without a permit. In my opinion however a good prosecutor COULD probably argue that most anything could be considered a deadly weapon.

[divegeek]

That may not be it's intended use, but people have killed others with Bic pens and thats not their intended use.

Which is why it's not illegal to carry a Bic pen concealed in your pocket. Neither is OC spray a dangerous weapon, even "police grade". The police use it because it's designed to be non-lethal.

I agree. However a machete's intended use is not chopping up people, but I'd like to see you explain why you had it concealed.

Granted that this can all be argued in court, but that's why the other parts of the statute are there, regarding the nature of the object (it's a sword!), the type of wound inflicted, etc. I suspect that in practice, the fact that it's very unusual to conceal a machete when transporting it for any of its non-weapon uses would weigh in.

And I'd argue that chopping people up is a primary application of a machete. When I lived in Mexico, people kept machetes on hand for cutting the grass (you think using a non-motorized mower is hard work!), but they also kept them handy as weapons.

OC spray does not injure healthy people, by design. It's a weapon, but not normally a dangerous weapon.

A Bic pen is not normally a weapon at all, and typically doesn't inflict serious injuries even when used as a weapon; it takes a precise aim and a great amount of force to inflict serious injury or death with a pen.

I agree that this stuff is fuzzy. But I think it's less fuzzy that you're making it out to be.

[Paul]

I agree that this stuff is fuzzy. But I think it's less fuzzy that you're making it out to be.

I agree.
I have said several times, I'm not worried about it personally. Just stuff to think about.

[blade55440]

I tend not to trust anyone so I like to be prepared for any situation.

Be Polite. Be Professional. Have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

It's not being paranoid, it's being prepared.

[hyrax]

"Be Polite. Be Professional. Have a plan to kill everyone you meet."

Set down the remote, step away from the TV and get outside once in a while. Its OK. The world has been zombie free for years now.

[blade55440]

Dang, and here I thought I was just finally getting my stockpile ready for Z-day. Guess I'll just have to figure out how to get rid of it all.

I was just saying that making sure you're ready for areas that are particularly firearm free (if you choose to follow those rules of course), is not a bad thing. Plus, considering that "it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission", you may run into a situation that doesn't exactly require a firearm, but OC spray might do the trick (forgive me if I can't think up an example).

I don't blame the guy for asking either... I like being able to know what I can by-proxy.

[Shadehawk]

I was just saying that making sure you're ready for areas that are particularly firearm free (if you choose to follow those rules of course), is not a bad thing. Plus, considering that "it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission", you may run into a situation that doesn't exactly require a firearm, but OC spray might do the trick (forgive me if I can't think up an example).

I don't blame the guy for asking either... I like being able to know what I can by-proxy.

Knowledge is the best defense. Weapons don't hurt either

[Shadehawk]

Be Polite. Be Professional. Have a plan to kill everyone you meet. It's not being paranoid, it's being prepared.

Lolz! Love it so much I put it in my sig