"Obama Pushing Shooters Off Public Lands"

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"Obama Pushing Shooters Off Public Lands"

Postby Car Knocker on Wed 16 Nov 2011 9:38 am

It would probably be a good idea to let our federal elected officials and RKBA organizations know that we oppose further restrictions on where we can shoot. Note the 'littering clause' that would allow an area to be closed to shooting.

November 16, 2011

Gun owners who have historically been able to use public lands for target practice would be barred from potentially millions of acres under new rules drafted by the Interior Department, the first major move by the Obama administration to impose limits on firearms.

Officials say the administration is concerned about the potential clash between gun owners and encroaching urban populations who like to use same land for hiking and dog walking.

"It's not so much a safety issue. It's a social conflict issue," said Frank Jenks, a natural resource specialist with Interior's Bureau of Land Management, which oversees 245 million acres. He adds that urbanites "freak out" when they hear shooting on public lands.

If the draft policy is finally approved, some public access to Bureau lands to hunters would also be limited, potentially reducing areas deer, elk, and bear hunters can use in the West.

Conservationists and hunting groups, however, are mounting a fight. One elite group of conservationists that advises Interior and Agriculture is already pushing BLM to junk the regulations, claiming that shooters are being held to a much higher safety standard than other users of public lands, such as ATV riders.

"They are just trying to make it so difficult for recreational shooters," said Gary Kania, vice president of the Congressional Sportsmen's Foundation. His group is one of several, including the National Wildlife Foundation, Cabela's and Ducks Unlimited, on the Wildlife and Hunting Heritage Conservation Council fighting the new rules. During a two-day meeting ending this afternoon, they are drafting their own changes to the BLM rules.

"What we probably are going to be looking forward to is a reversal," said Kania. Asked about how to handle people who freak out when they hear shots on public lands, Kania said, "I don't know how to quanitify 'freaking out,'" and noted that he's seen people panicing when fly fishing in float tubes but nobody wants to ban then from rivers.

BLM actually invited the fight, seeking the council's comments. But officials suggested to Whispers that no changes are being planned to the draft regulations.

Over five pages, the draft BLM regulations raise concerns about how shooting can cause a "public disturbance." They also raise worries about how shooting and shooters can hurt plants and litter public lands.

This is the key paragraph foes say could lead to shooters being kicked off public lands:

"When the authorized officer determines that a site or area on BLM-managed lands used on a regular basis for recreational shooting is creating public disturbance, or is creating risk to other persons on public lands; is contributing to the defacement, removal or destruction of natural features, native plants, cultural resources, historic structures or government and/or private property; is facilitating or creating a condition of littering, refuse accumulation and abandoned personal property is violating existing use restrictions, closure and restriction orders, or supplementary rules notices, and reasonable attempts to reduce or eliminate the violations by the BLM have been unsuccessful, the authorized officer will close the affected area to recreational shooting."

Squeezing out shooters, says the draft policy, is needed because, "As the West has become more populated, recreational shooters now often find themselves in conflict with other public lands users, and the BLM is frequently called on to mediate these conflicts."

At yesterday's meeting at Interior, the council balked at the BLM draft regulations, adding that the Obama administration was not being fair to shooters on the issue of safety.

In a draft retort to BLM, the council said other users of public land aren't required to be as safe as shooters. They note that shooters have a much lower injury rate than others, like ATV users. "The policy fails to recognize that recreational shooting has one of the lowest incidences of death and injury compared to virtually any other outdoor recreational activity. The policy is prejudicial and discriminatory to target shooters as compared to other recreationists," said the council's draft response, expected to be finalized today.

What's more, the group charged that the BLM is acting in a contradictory fashion, encouraging the shooting sports while limiting shooting areas.

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Re: "Obama Pushing Shooters Off Public Lands"

Postby UtahJarhead on Wed 16 Nov 2011 10:13 am

And now the Fudds are screaming. Funny how they're concerned only when the restrictions finally hit them! "First they came for..."
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Re: "Obama Pushing Shooters Off Public Lands"

Postby Cinhil on Wed 16 Nov 2011 11:06 am

UtahJarhead wrote:And now the Fudds are screaming. Funny how they're concerned only when the restrictions finally hit them! "First they came for..."


Please explain, "Fudds," it is a term I am unfamiliar with.
What part of "Shall not be infringed" is not being abused today!

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Re: "Obama Pushing Shooters Off Public Lands"

Postby UtahJarhead on Wed 16 Nov 2011 11:17 am

A Fudd (think Elmer) is someone that says "I don't care if they ban 10+ round magazines. It won't affect me killing deer with my single shot bolt action .30-30."

Basically, if we don't protect all of the gun rights, we won't have our own when all is said and done.
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Re: "Obama Pushing Shooters Off Public Lands"

Postby Cinhil on Wed 16 Nov 2011 11:33 am

Okay, I get it now, Jarhead. Yeah, unfortunately there are way too many people with this type of mind set, or mentality. This is one of the things that always hurts because people fail to Think things through and therefore lose their rights as a result.

The bill mentioned, or rule change, is atrocious and should be fought as hard as we can. I will do what I can by contacting them, and my representative as soon as able after I get home and have a chance to draft something.
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Re: "Obama Pushing Shooters Off Public Lands"

Postby RustyShackleford on Wed 16 Nov 2011 6:55 pm

They are also shutting off access to hunting. Around here the Natl. Forrest Service is the worst. Every year we go deer hunting there are more access roads that are blocked off. 90% of the land has been shut down to all motorized vehicles and that means that there is no way to hunt them unless you are on horseback or are willing to pack out a dear or elk 2-3 miles on foot.

It is time we stop supporting DWR with our license fees if the State is not going to step up to the plate and protect the Utah public from the Federal Wacko's from back east.

On the Dixie Natl. Forrest, the only people that have access to much of the land around here is the Mexican Drug Cartels for their pot farms...Shut off the law abiding citizen and only criminals will be able to use the land...That is what is happening in our neck of the woods. (much like gun laws).
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Re: "Obama Pushing Shooters Off Public Lands"

Postby karatelyle on Thu 24 Nov 2011 6:47 pm

My wives cousin went shooting behind Utah lake recently and was told by a officer that after Jan 1 it is going to be a third degree felony to shoot trash including bottles and jugs. You will be restricted to pretty much paper targets only on BLM land.

I don't have a way to verify this, and I would assume this was a federal BLM officer. Perhaps this is what is planed if the above legislation is passed? Regardless of wether you pick up your trash it would be a crime to even shoot these things.

Why don't they just enforce the current littering laws? They could make up the salary they pay to police the area in littering fines, and reduce the impact of irresponsible shooters without passing more restrictive laws.
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Re: "Obama Pushing Shooters Off Public Lands"

Postby Snurd on Thu 24 Nov 2011 7:02 pm

Third degree felony? That seems extremely excessive. :disgusted:
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Re: "Obama Pushing Shooters Off Public Lands"

Postby karatelyle on Thu 24 Nov 2011 9:46 pm

I agree, and don't put too much faith in what I heard third party. I maby should not have commented without trying to look it up first. But restrictions of this sort are not entirely impossible.
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