Kind of a funny comment

[SBorg]

I was OC'ing at the Lindon Wal-Mart last night when something kind of funny was said. I was standing in the self-checkout line buying my stuff, when the kid that watches of them (probably 19-20 years old) walks up and is like "Hey, do yourself a favor. Don't carry that thing cocked like that." I was wearing a 1911 in a Serpa holster with the hammer cocked and locked back. I told him "Oh don't worry, it's not going to jump out to bark at anyone. I could throw it on the ground and it wouldn't go off." Didn't tell him that there was no round in the chamber, but even if there were it still wouldn't go off from me dropping it or bumping it.

Just thought it was kind of funny how people think that just because a gun is cocked, it's all of a sudden "dangerous."

[Snurd]

Guns are just paper weights if they aren't cocked, or loaded. :Thumbsup:


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[gravedancer]

I was OC'ing at the Lindon Wal-Mart last night when something kind of funny was said. I was standing in the self-checkout line buying my stuff, when the kid that watches of them (probably 19-20 years old) walks up and is like "Hey, do yourself a favor. Don't carry that thing cocked like that." I was wearing a 1911 in a Serpa holster with the hammer cocked and locked back. I told him "Oh don't worry, it's not going to jump out to bark at anyone. I could throw it on the ground and it wouldn't go off." Didn't tell him that there was no round in the chamber, but even if there were it still wouldn't go off from me dropping it or bumping it.

Just thought it was kind of funny how people think that just because a gun is cocked, it's all of a sudden "dangerous."

You carry your gun with the hammer cocked over an empty chamber ?

[DaKnife]

Single action maybe. DA certainly not, the pull is harder but as long as there is a round in the chamber it's ready to go. Flip the safety and start sending rounds down range, regardless of whether it's cocked or not. Maybe it's nerves, maybe lack of trust\experience or maybe it's my OCD but even though I know the safety blocks the pin, I don't like the fact that flipping on the safety doesn't drop the hammer on my Beretta .40.

It's probably due to carrying an M9 on my deployments (it's my primary issue weapon) and finding several times that the safety had worked itself into the off position, which would be a big issue if the M9 didn't drop the hammer when you engage the safety.

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[SBorg]

I was OC'ing at the Lindon Wal-Mart last night when something kind of funny was said. I was standing in the self-checkout line buying my stuff, when the kid that watches of them (probably 19-20 years old) walks up and is like "Hey, do yourself a favor. Don't carry that thing cocked like that." I was wearing a 1911 in a Serpa holster with the hammer cocked and locked back. I told him "Oh don't worry, it's not going to jump out to bark at anyone. I could throw it on the ground and it wouldn't go off." Didn't tell him that there was no round in the chamber, but even if there were it still wouldn't go off from me dropping it or bumping it.

Just thought it was kind of funny how people think that just because a gun is cocked, it's all of a sudden "dangerous."

You carry your gun with the hammer cocked over an empty chamber ?

Yeah. From what I've heard from a couple people it reduces wear and tear on the firing pin.

[jktseug]

It's probably due to carrying an M9 on my deployments (it's my primary issue weapon) and finding several times that the safety had worked itself into the off position, which would be a big issue if the M9 didn't drop the hammer when you engage the safety.

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Wouldn't that only make a difference if something, like say your finger, touches the trigger. I understand that you are less one safety device, but I sometimes worry about the guns that drop the hammer with the safety more than me accidently pulling the trigger.
The safety working tto the off position isnt good, but that is why i am glad my gun holster was molded with the safety on.

[DaKnife]

Well on the M9 you can see a metal block rotate over the pin well before the hammer dropped.

As to the holster, well that was before I was familiar with molded holsters, and I was mainly looking for comfortable to wear tactical holsters. If I get called again I'll get a better holster now that I have a good idea what to look for.

With my .40 that has to be my least fave aspect of owning the gun, being ultra alert and careful as I lower the hammer. That tells me I should be fine with the hammer cocked but it just freaks me out to be carrying the weapon within a mere hammer fall of discharging.
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[gravedancer]

Single action maybe. DA certainly not, the pull is harder but as long as there is a round in the chamber it's ready to go. Flip the safety and start sending rounds down range, rfegardless of whether it's cocked or not. Maybe it's nerves, maybe lack of trust\experience or maybe it's my OCD but even though I know the safety blocks the pin, I don't like the fact that flipping on the safety doesn't drop the hammer on my Beretta .40.

It's probably due to carrying an M9 on my deployments (it's my primary issue weapon) and finding several times that the safety had worked itself into the off position, which would be a big issue if the M9 didn't drop the hammer when you engage the safety.

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Thats why I like the decocker on my .40

[gobbly]

I was OC'ing at the Lindon Wal-Mart last night when something kind of funny was said. I was standing in the self-checkout line buying my stuff, when the kid that watches of them (probably 19-20 years old) walks up and is like "Hey, do yourself a favor. Don't carry that thing cocked like that." I was wearing a 1911 in a Serpa holster with the hammer cocked and locked back. I told him "Oh don't worry, it's not going to jump out to bark at anyone. I could throw it on the ground and it wouldn't go off." Didn't tell him that there was no round in the chamber, but even if there were it still wouldn't go off from me dropping it or bumping it.

Just thought it was kind of funny how people think that just because a gun is cocked, it's all of a sudden "dangerous."

You carry your gun with the hammer cocked over an empty chamber ?

my brother doesn't have a ccp and carries like this. He figures it's legal to do so, and there's an odd chance that someone might be deterred more by a cocked sidearm than not...

[UtahCFP]

I was OC'ing at the Lindon Wal-Mart last night when something kind of funny was said. I was standing in the self-checkout line buying my stuff, when the kid that watches of them (probably 19-20 years old) walks up and is like "Hey, do yourself a favor. Don't carry that thing cocked like that." I was wearing a 1911 in a Serpa holster with the hammer cocked and locked back. I told him "Oh don't worry, it's not going to jump out to bark at anyone. I could throw it on the ground and it wouldn't go off." Didn't tell him that there was no round in the chamber, but even if there were it still wouldn't go off from me dropping it or bumping it.

Just thought it was kind of funny how people think that just because a gun is cocked, it's all of a sudden "dangerous."

You carry your gun with the hammer cocked over an empty chamber ?

Makes it easier to rack the slide.

[Cinhil]

I was OC'ing at the Lindon Wal-Mart last night when something kind of funny was said. I was standing in the self-checkout line buying my stuff, when the kid that watches of them (probably 19-20 years old) walks up and is like "Hey, do yourself a favor. Don't carry that thing cocked like that." I was wearing a 1911 in a Serpa holster with the hammer cocked and locked back. I told him "Oh don't worry, it's not going to jump out to bark at anyone. I could throw it on the ground and it wouldn't go off." Didn't tell him that there was no round in the chamber, but even if there were it still wouldn't go off from me dropping it or bumping it.

Just thought it was kind of funny how people think that just because a gun is cocked, it's all of a sudden "dangerous."

The young man was probably unfamiliar with your type of weapon and thought it pertinent to mention it for yours, or everyone elses safety. This was a perfect opportunity to educate. Not everyone is as familiar with pistols, both semi automatic or revolver style, as we are.

[AlanM]

I was OC'ing at the Lindon Wal-Mart last night when something kind of funny was said. I was standing in the self-checkout line buying my stuff, when the kid that watches of them (probably 19-20 years old) walks up and is like "Hey, do yourself a favor. Don't carry that thing cocked like that." I was wearing a 1911 in a Serpa holster with the hammer cocked and locked back. I told him "Oh don't worry, it's not going to jump out to bark at anyone. I could throw it on the ground and it wouldn't go off." Didn't tell him that there was no round in the chamber, but even if there were it still wouldn't go off from me dropping it or bumping it.

Just thought it was kind of funny how people think that just because a gun is cocked, it's all of a sudden "dangerous."

You carry your gun with the hammer cocked over an empty chamber ?

Makes it easier to rack the slide.

Most definitely!
I have little or no strength in my right hand and arm to the point that I can not pull the trigger on any of my pistols right handed(nerve damage due to spinal problems).
I've had to learn to shoot left handed. However, I carry my EDC (1911) on my right side in condition three but cocked and locked.
If I were in a high danger area I would change to condition one and carry that way.
Right now I don't go anywhere where I don't feel comfortable.
If something were to go squirrely currently I would pull my gun, flip off the safety, use my left hand to chamber a round, (being already cocked reduces the strength required) transfer the gun to my left hand, and proceed to deliver 8 rounds of 230 grain HydroShock to those that need them.

[UnderratedF00l]

Guns are just paper weights if they aren't cocked AND loaded. :Thumbsup:

FTFY.

I know I'm probably in the minority here, but I've never understood the idea of carrying a firearm without a round in the chamber. I mean, 1911's were made to be carried cocked and locked (condition 1). They're perfectly safe to carry that way (assuming everything on the pistol is working the way it should). I also realize that it takes some getting used to, or that it's just "one more self-defense tool".

Some of the more recent self-defense shootings we've debated here on the boards have happened at extremely close ranges, and there would be little-to-no chance -- or the time necessary -- to manipulate the slide. In fact, I think we'd be hard pressed to find many self-defense scenarios that allowed the time or the ability.

Further, this video of a Tueller drill does a good job of showing how things can happen very, very quickly. Even with one in the pipe, a trained shooter can only get off one or two shots at an attacker wielding a knife and running full-speed within 21 feet -- in fact, most of the time, the shooter loses that fight, or, at least, is injured.

If you are legally able to carry with one in the chamber, do it. If you can't because you don't have a CFP, then get a CFP. If you're not comfortable with it -- which I can completely understand -- get comfortable with it ASAP. Nearly every modern-made firearm is safe to carry with a round in the pipe (with very few exceptions), and there's just too many good reasons not to do so.

[Snurd]

Guns are just paper weights if they aren't cocked AND loaded. :Thumbsup:

FTFY.

I know I'm probably in the minority here, but I've never understood the idea of carrying a firearm without a round in the chamber. I mean, 1911's were made to be carried cocked and locked (condition 1). They're perfectly safe to carry that way (assuming everything on the pistol is working the way it should). I also realize that it takes some getting used to, or that it's just "one more self-defense tool".

Some of the more recent self-defense shootings we've debated here on the boards have happened at extremely close ranges, and there would be little-to-no chance -- or the time necessary -- to manipulate the slide. In fact, I think we'd be hard pressed to find many self-defense scenarios that allowed the time or the ability.

Further, this video of a Tueller drill does a good job of showing how things can happen very, very quickly. Even with one in the pipe, a trained shooter can only get off one or two shots at an attacker wielding a knife and running full-speed within 21 feet -- in fact, most of the time, the shooter loses that fight, or, at least, is injured.

If you are legally able to carry with one in the chamber, do it. If you can't because you don't have a CFP, then get a CFP. If you're not comfortable with it -- which I can completely understand -- get comfortable with it ASAP. Nearly every modern-made firearm is safe to carry with a round in the pipe (with very few exceptions), and there's just too many good reasons not to do so.

After my first post I checked his intro post. The OP doesn't have a CFP yet, so I'm sure that's why he doesn't carry loaded.


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[SBorg]

Guns are just paper weights if they aren't cocked AND loaded. :Thumbsup:

FTFY.

I know I'm probably in the minority here, but I've never understood the idea of carrying a firearm without a round in the chamber. I mean, 1911's were made to be carried cocked and locked (condition 1). They're perfectly safe to carry that way (assuming everything on the pistol is working the way it should). I also realize that it takes some getting used to, or that it's just "one more self-defense tool".

Some of the more recent self-defense shootings we've debated here on the boards have happened at extremely close ranges, and there would be little-to-no chance -- or the time necessary -- to manipulate the slide. In fact, I think we'd be hard pressed to find many self-defense scenarios that allowed the time or the ability.

Further, this video of a Tueller drill does a good job of showing how things can happen very, very quickly. Even with one in the pipe, a trained shooter can only get off one or two shots at an attacker wielding a knife and running full-speed within 21 feet -- in fact, most of the time, the shooter loses that fight, or, at least, is injured.

If you are legally able to carry with one in the chamber, do it. If you can't because you don't have a CFP, then get a CFP. If you're not comfortable with it -- which I can completely understand -- get comfortable with it ASAP. Nearly every modern-made firearm is safe to carry with a round in the pipe (with very few exceptions), and there's just too many good reasons not to do so.

After my first post I checked his intro post. The OP doesn't have a CFP yet, so I'm sure that's why he doesn't carry loaded.


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That's correct =] I took the class on the 21st and it was mailed in on the 23rd, so I still have a little while before I'm able to carry it loaded. I just figure that having a weapon on me, whether I have to rack the slide before firing or not, is better than not having a weapon on me.