Romney clueless

[Car Knocker]

LONDON (AP) - Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney on Wednesday said many of the weapons obtained by the shooting suspect in Colorado were obtained illegally and that changing laws won't prevent gun-related tragedies.

But the firearms that authorities allege James Holmes used to kill 12 people in Aurora, Colo., were obtained legally.

"This person shouldn't have had any kind of weapons and bombs and other devices and it was illegal for him to have many of those things already. But he had them," Romney told NBC News in an interview. "And so we can sometimes hope that just changing the law will make all bad things go away. It won't."

Holmes broke no laws when he purchased an assault-style rifle, a shotgun and Glock handgun, and he passed the required background checks.

Holmes apparently booby-trapped his apartment with explosives. It's unclear if he obtained the materials illegally, but it's against Colorado law to build an explosive device.

NBC News anchor Brian Williams pressed Romney about his tenure as Massachusetts governor, when the presumptive GOP nominee signed a bill that banned some assault weapons like the type Holmes is alleged to have used. At the time, Romney described such guns as "instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people."

Asked if he stood by those comments, Romney mentioned the Massachusetts ban but said he didn't think current laws needed to change.

"I don't happen to believe that America needs new gun laws. A lot of what this ... young man did was clearly against the law. But the fact that it was against the law did not prevent it from happening," Romney said.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=157&sid=21413431

Yeah, I know the thread title is redundant.

[dewittdj]

So where's the link to the actual interview?

[Car Knocker]

I don't have a link to the entire interview. Portions of the interview are available on NBCNews.com

[Paul]

And nbc news is such a reliable source of video. (Serious sarcasm in my voice)

[DaKnife]

Also based on the snippet quoted, his comments could very well be 100% accurate if he was referring to the grenades and other explosives he'd booby-trapped his home with.

This person shouldn't have had any kind of weapons and bombs and other devices and it was illegal for him to have many of those things already

Okay he was wrong saying James Holmes shouldn't have had any kind of weapons, where there was nothing that indicated this was coming, but the explosives were illegal for him to have and Romney did cover that by using the word "many" rather than just saying "It was illegal for him to have those things already.

It's typical for the media to take such comments out of context like that. Perhaps the title of this thread is also guilty of that sin.

[Zacharia]

It's been a long time since I've filled out the long form, but isn't there a question basically asking if you intend to use the firearm in a crime?

[quychang]

I think I'll take my chances with clueless over inept and unresponsive to voter opinion.

Just my opinion, and that would be assuming that I accepted the premise that Romney was clueless. Which I do not.

Mel

[FrankenHollow]

I ran across an article last night, that had the quotes in more of the original context.
Romney's comments about legality were in reference to the intent to commit a crime, the bombs, and the booby-traps. He said absolutely nothing about them being obtained illegally.

If I figure out where I saw it, I'll post a link.

For the record, I very much dislike Romney. But, his words are being taken out of context and twisted. ...nothing but sensationalism and bad journalism.

[[CZ]Dusty]

What about the 100 round drum for the AR, and the 40 round mag for the Glock? I'm sure those were not obtained legally, even if they could be. Just speculation on what Romney could have meant, anyone disagree?

[UnderratedF00l]

What about the 100 round drum for the AR, and the 40 round mag for the Glock? I'm sure those were not obtained legally, even if they could be. Just speculation on what Romney could have meant, anyone disagree?

Yes, I disagree with you.

Numerous gun stores here in Utah carry both of those items -- and they can be ordered online. It's not illegal to purchase or own those items. If you're interested, here's a website that I've purchased several items from that has the 33-round Glock 9mm mags for $32 bucks: http://www.botachtactical.com/gl189mm33ma.html


Edit: Also, I can't find any 40-round .40 caliber mags for Glocks. The largest I've found is a 31-rounder here: http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/MAG-2541

[quychang]

http://www.armoryblog.com/firearms/hand-guns/glock-9mm-100-round-magazine/

It's not a .40 but here's a 100 round 9mm magazine for a Glock.

Mel

[UnderratedF00l]

http://www.armoryblog.com/firearms/hand-guns/glock-9mm-100-round-magazine/

It's not a .40 but here's a 100 round 9mm magazine for a Glock.

Mel

I need that.

[Cinhil]

I learned many years ago when my father ran for Senate in Wisconsin that the media does not report accurately, or without bias. He would say one thing and the evening news snippets, or the following days papers would always say something, just enough out of context, or with deleting the substance or reason for a comment, and he would be all for the liberally supported idea being promulgated as truth. I am certain that this is what has happened here, and according to what some have found out already this is exactly what has happened. Only enough was said to show Romney believes in the liberal agenda/dis-armament argument so as to confuse the masses so as to garner more support for their candidate.

[hibby76]

"This person shouldn't have had any kind of weapons and bombs and other devices and it was illegal for him to have many of those things already. But he had them,"

-------That's a 'Monday morning quarterback" perspective. Would there have been a single reason that he shouldn't have had the weapons the day before the shooting? His rap sheet consisted of a single speeding ticket and his medical history showed no diagnosis or strong symptoms of mental illness.

I suspect that the explosives were illegal, but those didn't harm anyone. The body armor has gotten a lot of attention, but no one shot at him. So really it comes down to the fire arms and the gas grenades. He could have committed a very similar crime with similar or worse results with gasoline, chains, and padlocks.

I think we need to pass a law making it illegal to do psychotic things. THEN things like this will never happen again!

[bagpiper]

I have no delusions about Romney and guns. He is (at best) a New England liberal republican. His record on RKBA in the Bay State is poor to bad depending on how much weight you put on which legislation. He was far from my favorite choice for the GOP nomination.

That all said, the odds that our next president is named something other than either "Romney" or "Obama" is long to say the least. In a State that is solidly GOP or solidly Democrat, the electoral count won't be affected by the small number of votes for whatever 3rd party candidate is pure on RKBA. However, such votes might affect the popular vote total and the so-called "legitimacy" the media either has to concede or can deny based on that.

So with that in mind, I hope the guy with a solid business record of success, whose position on RKBA is probably not a firebrand either direction, and who I personally believe has a sincere love for this nation and the constitution (whatever disagreements he and I may have about the meaning of any specific article or clause), over the guy who has done all he can (with a congress unwilling to pass laws) to damage RKBA, who couldn't budget his way out of a paper bag, and whom I have come to believe sincerely hates much or even most of what makes this nation unique and special in the world. I hope to see Obama defeated and I don't believe Romney is nearly so bad as to be worse than Obama, nor do I see anyone else with a snowball's chance of winning, so I hope to see Romney win. I also hope to see the GOP take control of the Senate while maintaining control of the House with an addition of solidly conservative members, along with conservatives picking up wins in State legislatures and governor's offices nationwide.

Charles