jktseug wrote:I think this could depend on what you are specifically talking about. Are you saying that if you are on private property, I should be able to allow thievery of any item on my property
How can you "allow" theft, exactly? Wouldn't that just mean... well... free stuff?
You have the right to protect your property from theft. Someone else does not have the right to come on your property without your permission, or without following your rules. I guess I'm confused what your argument is.
jktseug wrote:I think any place that removes your ability to defend yourself should be required to provide trained and armed security guards in many locations.
Now, refusing someone service is within their right, and asking me to leave is too for many reasons, like me screaming and causing too much noise in a theater, opera house or play, or me waving a gun around in the open. but Iif they dont provide protection at all, they should not remove my best tool for defense.
This isn't a question of how we think things should be -- on that we'll probably agree. I'd love for every business I frequent to allow lawful carry of a firearm by anyone who so chooses, but I also don't believe that the .gov should force all businesses to allow the concealed carry of firearms. In this case, I think that Utah has it perfectly right. Businesses are allowed to prohibit firearms on their property, and they can ask you to leave should you be found with one. The signs and policies have no law attached to them, but you can be charged with trespassing if you chose to stay after being asked to leave. This, in my mind, is as close to a perfect balance as we'll find.
Is private security the answer? Sure. I'm in for that. We don't need more security theater, however. We have enough of that going around already.
jktseug wrote:I dont think those that wear offensive t-shirts or signs are really being kicked out because of free speech related issues, more disruption of service.
The ability that you have to wear an offensive t-shirt or promote an offensive sign is a 1st Amendment right. A police officer can not ask you to leave public property for wearing an offensive t-shirt, but a private business can -- regardless of whether you're being disruptive or not. We don't have (nor have we ever had) 1st Amendment rights on another person's private property -- that's why protesters are always confined to public areas on public lands.