Carry at Hill AFB.

[thering]

I went to the show today. They had an audible recording playing over the loud speakers as you approached the security gates that said specifically that no weapons, fire arms or knifes in any fashion were allowed. Then they had barrels strategically placed near the lines where people could dispose of their weapons (and lighters) before they got to the security check. There was a cadet manning every barrel to make sure no one took the loot. I asked one what they would do with all the weapons and he told me that they take them all and blow them up...
Thought that was interesting.

[jobot]

Well was there a whole pile of firearms and other valuable weapons in the barrels?

[thering]

In the barrel I looked in there were half a dozen lighters, 15 or 20 pocket knives and two rather nice leatherman tools. No firearms. This was at 11 am.

[Hawk87]

Did they have metal detectors going or something?

[thering]

Yes. Very much like at the airport. Empty pockets and place all belongings on table as you walk through the metal detectors. Then soldiers with wands on the other side of the metal detectors.

[jktseug]

I cant imagine throwing away a leatherman or any other knife vs walking back to my car or even walking off and finding a good spot to hide it outside and see if its there on my way out. what a waste.

[Zacharia]

I took a fanny pack I typically use for hiking in lieu of a diaper bag... without thoroughly cleaning it out.
Doh!
One of those knives and a few rounds of 9mm snake shot belonged to me. It was a pretty long walk with a toddler and all of our gear across the base to justify going back to the car to save a well used $5 knife.

The traffic situation was out of control. They had me park in a lot right by the south gate (the walk back across the base in the storm with a crying 3 year old wrapped up in both of our coats was a blast Hah). Then instead of letting me turn left and be out the gate in a hundred yards they made us go further into the base to turn around. That was a fun hour of my life.

[jktseug]

I understand a small cheap knife not being worth the walk. But if you had a $50 knife, or similar I think running back to the car, with the family its a little more difficult but they should be able to wait for you (unless you have more kids than one person can handle for a few minutes). I don't get paid enough where $50 tool is > a few minutes of exercise.

[1cogfrog]

I did the walk back to put the Leatherman and Spyderco in the truck. I was there by myself with my 4 kids, but the walk back was worth the $100 worth of tools! There was a sign at the gate saying no firearms, and loudspeaker saying the same.

When I went through the metal detector and gave my backpack to the security guard, he asked what was in it, but didn't look closely. I only had lunch, raincoats and diabetic supplies, but the search was not airport level. Either way, it would have been tough to get a firearm in unless it was in a bag and they didn't search it well.

It would have all gotten wet anyway!!!

frog

[divegeek]

It's just my opinion, of course, but it seems to me that this section of code may possibly be construed to sanction a regulation prohibiting the possession of firearms by civilians on military property and assess a penalty for violation of the regulation

Good find! I think you're right, though I need to read through it carefully.

[ShutUrMouth]

Not sure if it was mentioned, kind of just skimmed through post, but it is posted outside the gates regarding firearms. Firearms are not allowed on base. Now there are circumstances for residents for transport and storage that allow for it. So unless you live on base or are LE then at a minimum they could go the trespassing route since it is posted. I believe there is a code referenced on the sign. I will try to write it down and post a reply with it.

[divegeek]

Not sure if it was mentioned, kind of just skimmed through post, but it is posted outside the gates regarding firearms. Firearms are not allowed on base. Now there are circumstances for residents for transport and storage that allow for it. So unless you live on base or are LE then at a minimum they could go the trespassing route since it is posted.

In general, ignoring a sign stating that something isn't allowed does not constitute trespassing under Utah law (unless the sign says "no trespassing"). For example, if a movie theater puts up a "no guns" sign, you are not trespassing if you carry a gun anyway. If the owner/manager or other authorized representative of the establishment asks you to leave and you refuse, that is trespassing (though you have a defense if you weren't interfering with their business and if the place was open to the public at the time). That would apply in the same way to a military base, if there weren't some other law that addressed the situation, like the one Car Knocker found.

[jktseug]

In general, ignoring a sign stating that something isn't allowed does not constitute trespassing under Utah law (unless the sign says "no trespassing"). For example, if a movie theater puts up a "no guns" sign, you are not trespassing if you carry a gun anyway. If the owner/manager or other authorized representative of the establishment asks you to leave and you refuse, that is trespassing (though you have a defense if you weren't interfering with their business and if the place was open to the public at the time). That would apply in the same way to a military base, if there weren't some other law that addressed the situation, like the one Car Knocker found.

See, this is a little confusing to me, because I thought if I put up a no guns sign, or asked someone not to bring a gun into my house, and they entered knowingly, it can be taken as forceful entry with a weapon. Maybe it has to be if I do not open the door for you. Is it different for private property (Castle Doctorine) vs public places?

[divegeek]

In general, ignoring a sign stating that something isn't allowed does not constitute trespassing under Utah law (unless the sign says "no trespassing"). For example, if a movie theater puts up a "no guns" sign, you are not trespassing if you carry a gun anyway. If the owner/manager or other authorized representative of the establishment asks you to leave and you refuse, that is trespassing (though you have a defense if you weren't interfering with their business and if the place was open to the public at the time). That would apply in the same way to a military base, if there weren't some other law that addressed the situation, like the one Car Knocker found.

See, this is a little confusing to me, because I thought if I put up a no guns sign, or asked someone not to bring a gun into my house, and they entered knowingly, it can be taken as forceful entry with a weapon. Maybe it has to be if I do not open the door for you. Is it different for private property (Castle Doctorine) vs public places?

Utah law puts private residences and churches in a special category and gives them the right to enforce a gun ban. It is a crime (albeit a minor one) to disregard prohibitions against carrying in those places.

Note that this is different from forceful entry. The Castle Doctrine law means that if someone enters your home forcefully, or with the intent to commit a felony (or a few other similar cases), then you are authorized to use deadly force against them. They're also breaking the law by trespassing which means you can have them arrested, but the point of Castle Doctrine is that you can legally use deadly force. Note that it doesn't matter -- legally -- if they have a weapon or not. In practice, I wouldn't want to shoot someone in my home unless I actually had to -- it would ruin the carpet.

[jktseug]

In general, ignoring a sign stating that something isn't allowed does not constitute trespassing under Utah law (unless the sign says "no trespassing"). For example, if a movie theater puts up a "no guns" sign, you are not trespassing if you carry a gun anyway. If the owner/manager or other authorized representative of the establishment asks you to leave and you refuse, that is trespassing (though you have a defense if you weren't interfering with their business and if the place was open to the public at the time). That would apply in the same way to a military base, if there weren't some other law that addressed the situation, like the one Car Knocker found.

See, this is a little confusing to me, because I thought if I put up a no guns sign, or asked someone not to bring a gun into my house, and they entered knowingly, it can be taken as forceful entry with a weapon. Maybe it has to be if I do not open the door for you. Is it different for private property (Castle Doctorine) vs public places?

Utah law puts private residences and churches in a special category and gives them the right to enforce a gun ban. It is a crime (albeit a minor one) to disregard prohibitions against carrying in those places.

Ok, that is good to know. I pulled up the Utah.pdf from handgunlaws.us I guess any secured building, private residence, or church does have the right to ban them. It sounds like the air show was secured. I guess I need to read up a lot more on the laws and memorize or make a little pocket book with the important ones in there. Maybe attach it to my holster some way, or next to my permit.
Although So far, I do love Utah, it is far better than most other states for allowing carry.