Permit questions that I can't find the awnser to.

[hskrvern]

I'm trying to find an answer to a CFP question I have. I am looking to get a 'zona CFP because they will honor my time in the Navy as an armed sentry where Utah will not. That and the 'zona permit is 40 bu ks cheaper. My question is as a Utah resident will the 'zona permit be good? My google foo is weak.

[Snurd]

You can get one, but there are downsides to not having a Utah permit if you are a Utah resident. You can't be within 1000 feet of a school (unless you are driving in your car) and you can't go on school property. A Utah CFP is well worth the extra money so that you don't have to worry about all that crap.
Plus, if you get a Utah permit, you can apply for the Arizona permit and not have to take the class. Utah's permit/class covers that. It would be more expensive to go that route, but at least go for the Utah permit first.


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[hskrvern]

You can get one, but there are downsides to not having a Utah permit if you are a Utah resident. You can't be within 1000 feet of a school (unless you are driving in your car) and you can't go on school property. A Utah CFP is well worth the extra money so that you don't have to worry about all that crap.
Plus, if you get a Utah permit, you can apply for the Arizona permit and not have to take the class. Utah's permit/class covers that. It would be more expensive to go that route, but at least go for the Utah permit first.


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I see your point. It annoys me though that I went through two weeks of security response force training in the Navy and had a M9, M4, M500 or M240 in my hands for several years and the state won't honor that training.

[jktseug]

I understand that its frustrating, but the class is pretty easy, and the renewal is cheap. I have looked at other states and the cost of renewal is only $10 cheaper than initial registration. I think it is is worth it.

[Snurd]

Most of the stuff they go over in the class is not really about how I use a gun. It's about Utah laws. They go over some gun stuff, but the majority is laws and what you can and can't do.


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[Hawk87]

Most of the stuff they go over in the class is not really about how I use a gun. It's about Utah laws. They go over some gun stuff, but the majority is laws and what you can and can't do.


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Can't argue with the iSnurd. The class is a great review of the laws, and worth the extra's you get from having the utah permit.

[Gunlvr]

That and some states (CO for instance) will only honor a permit from your state of residence.

[DaKnife]

I agree with all that's been said and feel that the biggest benefit by far is the fact that only with the Utah permit do you get to ignore the Federal Gun Free School zones in Utah. Do you always know when you're within 1000 feet of a school?

As a Military man myself, my normal issue weapon is the M9, I too thought there should have been a waiver, until I attended the class and found out that very little of the class dealt with anything that would be waiver-able. Get your Utah permit.

[dewittdj]

You can get one, but there are downsides to not having a Utah permit if you are a Utah resident. You can't be within 1000 feet of a school (unless you are driving in your car) and you can't go on school property. A Utah CFP is well worth the extra money so that you don't have to worry about all that crap.
Plus, if you get a Utah permit, you can apply for the Arizona permit and not have to take the class. Utah's permit/class covers that. It would be more expensive to go that route, but at least go for the Utah permit first.


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The AZ permit was easy to obtain with my UT permit already in hand. Of course, I have a lot of documented firearms experience that was easily verified by sending copies of the certificates/SMART transcripts.

[Stang777]

Is the reason you say the Arizona permit is cheaper is because you do not have to take the class?

I am curious because the Arizona permit is 60 bucks and ours is 46. I realize ours is actually a little more than that once you take into account the fingerprints and photo, but you have to do the prints for Arizona too.

Also, what jktseug said about renewal costs being lower here, is very true. It only costs 15 bucks to renew ours, but it is 43 to renew the one for Arizona.

You can take the class for around 25 bucks and some of the classes include the prints. I thought the class was well worth the time and money.

There are are few benefits (if one travels) to having the Arizona permit though, namely, Nevada, New Mexico and South Carolina.

[gobbly]

the class isn't really about being proficient with a firearm. Some of them will want you to shoot, but there's really no requirement for it (mine did, but I don't think most do). Most of them will discuss firearms a little (mine showed you the difference between revolvers, and pistols, and how to clear them). Primarily it seemed to do with laws, where you can carry, what constitutes legal use of force, etc. The whole thing can be done in a classroom without a single real firearm.

Of course, there are classes that will get much more in detail, but there are just as many if not more that don't.

[Snurd]

Is the reason you say the Arizona permit is cheaper is because you do not have to take the class?

I am curious because the Arizona permit is 60 bucks and ours is 46. I realize ours is actually a little more than that once you take into account the fingerprints and photo, but you have to do the prints for Arizona too.

Also, what jktseug said about renewal costs being lower here, is very true. It only costs 15 bucks to renew ours, but it is 43 to renew the one for Arizona.

You can take the class for around 25 bucks and some of the classes include the prints. I thought the class was well worth the time and money.

There are are few benefits (if one travels) to having the Arizona permit though, namely, Nevada, New Mexico and South Carolina.

One should consider the price of taking e CFP class as well when looking at getting a permit. The class price will depend on who you go to. It seems like most will go for $35-45. The picture and fingerprints may differ if the instructor doesn't do them (which most do that for you). And the background check is $46. So you are looking at around $81-91 for a Utah permit.

The renewal for a Utah permit is only $15 though. And that is every 5 years.


Edit: I just checked BCI's site and noticed the decrease in the fee for the CFP. It was $60 and is now $46. Changed the post to reflect the price.

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[My Trigger Guard]

Well if you where going for some sort of credentials that required proof of capabilities with a firearm I am sure that training would be accepted. However there are no shooting requirements for your Utah CFP.

Why, becuase as have been discussed its not about shooting skills its about Law knowledge.

Now if you where applying to become a CFP instructor there is a shooting requirement, like NRA instructor credentials or POST training. But with you experience I am sure you could discuss with the state and they would probably say your g2g but still take the BCI laws class.

Good luck sir

[divegeek]

+1 to all the comments supporting the value of the class. It will teach you many useful things you didn't learn in the Navy about how to legally and safely carry and defend yourself in Utah.

Just one point of clarification on Dirk's post:

I agree with all that's been said and feel that the biggest benefit by far is the fact that only with the Utah permit do you get to ignore the Federal Gun Free School zones in Utah. Do you always know when you're within 1000 feet of a school?

Keep in mind that if you don't know you're within 1000 feet of a school, you're not committing a crime by possessing a firearm there. You have to knowingly carry in a school zone for the federal law to kick in, and the prosecutor will have to prove that you did know, or should have known.

That said, most people do know where the schools are in the areas they live and work -- and should know if they don't. And a correction to Snurd's post makes this even more important:

You can't be within 1000 feet of a school (unless you are driving in your car)

The only vehicle exception in the federal law is if the gun is unloaded (really unloaded, not Utah-unloaded) and in a locked container. So you can't knowingly be within 1000 feet of a school even if you're in your car, unless you unload and lock up. So when you're cruising down the road and glance over to notice you're passing the local elementary school... you just became a federal felon (unless you have a permit from the state the school is in). Yes, many, many people technically commit federal felonies every day.

[Snurd]

Good catch, thanks for the clarification.


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